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Anus Cookies and Reefer Nose: Gaming Talk Gone Wild
Remember the days of arcades filled with quarters jingling in your pocket? The satisfaction of finally beating that impossible level after dozens of tries? The Power Point Podcast crew takes you on a nostalgic journey through gaming history while exploring what's capturing their attention today.
Jim reveals his ongoing obsession with Retro Mania Wrestling, a pixel-perfect throwback to arcade wrestling games that's about to release exciting DLC featuring legends like Macho Man Randy Savage. Meanwhile, Keith shares how racing games have become a competitive family affair in his household, with his daughter mysteriously dominating every time trial despite his best efforts. Scott confesses his frustration with overly complex control schemes, championing simplicity in gaming design that lets players focus on fun rather than memorizing button combinations.
The conversation winds through cherished memories of classic board games—Mousetrap's elaborate Rube Goldberg contraptions, Operation's nerve-wracking buzzer (which the hosts lament isn't as shocking in modern versions), and Perfection's anxiety-inducing timer. There's a shared concern that today's digital-native children are missing out on these analog experiences, with many preferring to watch others play games on YouTube rather than engaging directly. As one host puts it: "Kids aren't using their imagination anymore."
From arcade experiences to the emerging frontier of virtual reality gaming, the discussion showcases how gaming continues to evolve while still fulfilling our fundamental desire for play, competition, and escape. Whether you're a casual gamer, a dedicated enthusiast, or someone who hasn't picked up a controller in years, this episode will rekindle your appreciation for the universal joy of games.
Tune in to hear about Black Sabbath's epic final concert, upcoming collaborations with other podcasts, and which childhood games still haunt the hosts decades later. What are YOU playing these days?
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On this episode of the Powerspoint Podcast. There are thousands of card games, over 100,000 board games, millions of computer games, over 100 handheld consoles and more than 1,000 home video game consoles. We've got to ask you one thing what are you playing? Hey Scott, drop that video game. Beat. Well, hello, hello. Welcome to the Powers Point.
Speaker 2:Podcast, Season 5, Episode 24. I'm your host, Scott Powers, and with Podcast, Season 5, Episode 24. I'm your host, Scott Powers, and with me, as always, is the one and only Jim Banks. Hello everybody, and Keith Mackey.
Speaker 3:Good to be back.
Speaker 2:So if you guys are just new to the show, welcome. And if you're wondering what we are about, well, we talk about anything and everything, with the exception of two things. We don't talk religion. We don't talk politics plenty of other social medias, places that you can find so, uh, you can either stay with us and be part of the family or, uh, open that door and walk right on through because, uh, we're keep going. So here we try to give you the only thing that we do promise is a laugh or two, but no more than three. That's just too much strenuous muscle work, so we don't want to hurt nobody. So what have you guys been up to this week?
Speaker 3:I got the iron working. I don't know if you saw that, saw that no more. I was considering buying the cricket press but I ended up getting that iron that I got at the Goodwill going. So we're getting the T-shirt factory going again, even though I've only actually made two T-shirts, but got that going again. And then we went and got some propane propane Right before we came on here. Pops can do some little more grilling a little, you know, a little propane, propane get some, uh, get some burgers going on that grill well, as I said before, my dad's hamburger is, by it's, the best burger that I've had, so right on.
Speaker 2:How about about you, Jim?
Speaker 1:Oh, am I here? Oh, I thought you guys were going to record again and ditch me again.
Speaker 2:Now you, at that time you were like sleeping.
Speaker 1:No, you didn't. You were looking in my room. You didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't know that I got the ALEXAs and I don't know I could probably just drop in on your that XAs and I don't know I could probably just drop in on your.
Speaker 1:That's why Gavin unplugged his, because I kept dropping in on him you kept saying how you hate odd numbers, so you don't have to flush the toilet in my face. I could take a hint.
Speaker 3:I never looked at it that way, that it is an odd number. Wow.
Speaker 2:Keith didn't, keith didn't want to do it, you know yeah, I suggested he do it by himself.
Speaker 3:I said who's the All-American here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I was like, well, you're up, I'm up, it's 1 am. Let's just knock this out, because we know how family time and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was the 4th of July, I could have slept in a little bit. I didn't have to be up till like. The parade was at 10.
Speaker 2:No, but didn't you take them to go see fireworks or anything?
Speaker 1:No, that was the night before the 4th. Wait, when was the? When did you record?
Speaker 2:We recorded on Wednesday night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we could actually have it out by on Friday morning.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then Keith took and edit it and threw it right back at me and and then it came out at like 3 PM on the 4th of July.
Speaker 1:All I know is I got a text and I was just getting ready to go to sleep and it said we recorded it, don't worry. And I was like what?
Speaker 2:Hey, we didn't want to take away from family time, man, we know how much it means to you.
Speaker 1:I don't know what means anything to me anymore.
Speaker 2:Keith said he don't do anything on 4th of July. I don't really do anything on 4th of July, so I'm not a being.
Speaker 1:I just heard Scott talking about he loves anus cookies or something and uh, I did hear the anus cookie freaking. Uh, and keith likes like reefer or pfeffer reefer cookies or something.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's my dad. My dad likes the pfeffer nesting cookies right marijuana.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what he was talking about no some old smoky over there no, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't like edibles.
Speaker 2:We're not into edibles and whereas I I'm on the opposite one on that yeah, you didn't say you didn't deny the anus cookie, so there, hey, a little pay what I do in my times of my own time. So everybody needs an anus cookie every now and then. Okay, Anyway.
Speaker 1:So I was good. How was your guys'?
Speaker 2:fourth Good.
Speaker 1:Went to the parade with Jimmy and my cousins and then went to their house in Chesterton with the family for a little bit and then came home and then the wife and son. We went to the fireworks at night. It was pretty good.
Speaker 2:And what day was that? On the fourth? That's why we didn't uh record on the fourth. Oh, you know what? I figured you had family plans, man, you always do so I don't want to take away. So you were sleeping at one. I didn't know whether to give you a call and wake you up and be like dude, hey, you want to want to record you. You got to get up in like two or three hours anyway.
Speaker 1:So what day was the fourth? On Friday.
Speaker 2:I think that one was my fault, man.
Speaker 3:Again, keith said just well, yeah, I didn't think. This is why I didn't think we were doing a full episode. I thought, well, since you're the all-American, why don't you go on and talk about how much you love America for like five minutes, and then that's what the people get Patriots cry.
Speaker 1:You could tell a war story.
Speaker 2:War story. Nobody wants to hear war stories.
Speaker 1:How you help that Dickie guy, whatever his name. Was that celebrity? What? What was that celebrity? What was that guy? That singer guy, dicky something or something dicky. That uso guy that helped me? No, you helped that one singer and then you, you were in another the next year or something. You had to help him again. Any recommendation? Mickey gilly, oh, mickey gilly oh I was like I thought it was that was like.
Speaker 3:That was like dicky mickey that goes with the anus cookie that would be another one of those people that I've heard his name but I can't put any work to it. But that guy was here. Uh, they have uh downtown free concerts and I swear all through my youth mickey gilly was was downtown performing a free concert. It seemed like every year yeah, they uh.
Speaker 2:I, you know, when I went overseas, and during the holidays you get the big uso tours and I'm thinking, bob hope, you know, like bob hope's awesome, that'd be really cool to see, you know, but he retired that year, so I get stuck with Mickey Gilly and then I ended up helping him, like, set up stage and all that, and then when we went to Haiti the following year, he remembered, so I helped him then too. And now, yeah, that's hilarious. So a lot's happened this week, guys. Uh, saturday we had, uh, the final concert of black sabbath. I don't know if you got to watch the concert, jim no, just uh.
Speaker 1:I saw a video reel one or two and it just started making me sad so I couldn't watch it.
Speaker 3:Oh man so if you obviously must have seen gunss N' Roses, then huh, because that was the part that made me sad the most. Good Lord, that was that guy.
Speaker 2:And that was their first time back as the original members as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I tell you what, who rocked me the most? I love everybody that was on there, but the ones that melted my face was Slayer. I was not very familiar with them, like if at all, but that's what it felt like that, that like that was their mo. When they came out there I'd be like all right, you guys don't know who we are, but here you go and they just crushed it, man. Yeah, they crushed it. Everybody was good, but they were the ones that really stood out because, um, I guess I didn't have any expectations for them. You know, because I'm not, I'm not familiar with their stuff, like at all. You know, I know that. You know, I know they exist and I know they were like the. When I went to high school, the Slayer fans thought you know the Metallica? Well, they love songs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they pushed it by over the limit. You know, with the power, the power metal yeah, yeah, they came out and melted faces. I thought that was pretty wicked man you know, I didn't want to pay the 30 dollars to the watch this concert. And, uh, I was walking to the festival down the street and I heard the sirens going off for war pigs and there was a I knew that sound man and there was like a whole garage full of about 35, 40 guys and they were all like, yeah, you know, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So then I just showed up. Dude, I have a habit of just showing up to the neighbor's house, even though they don't know who I am. You know, have a habit of just showing up to the neighbor's house, even though they don't know who I am. You know, and and and I, I was just sitting there, man, just like rocking out with them, and uh, and the one guy's like who are you? And the house owner's like he's cool man. He helped me, uh, snow blow in his driveway when he needed to get to work and his shovel broke and I was doing mine. So I just walked a couple of houses down and took care of it. Man, but you're the wandering old guy. It makes me, it makes me sad the way that Ozzy couldn't even stand up for anything. Right, you know the before show interviews, like the day before with Tommy Iommi. Is that his last name?
Speaker 3:Iommi, Tony Iommi.
Speaker 2:He said some stuff. I never knew about him, man, and it blew my mind. Obviously he's the very first like heavy metal guitarist, thrasher like that, you know, yeah, uh, he, and before that he was just a novelist guitarist and he was an engineer boy. The laser the thing cut his fingertips off, so his his doctor's like you'll never play guitar again. So he went and engineered some fingertips, man, and he had them like picks on the very tips. So he has fake fingertips, dude, that are guitar picks. That's wild.
Speaker 3:Actually, I don't think that's true. It's his fretting hand that has the fake fingertips. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He said he plays with fake fingers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I don't think it's on the hand that he picks with, though. Do you know what I'm saying? I think it's on his spreading hand, where he's got the ball, like the fake fingertips, like that, which gives it like gum and, because of his down tuning, the way he hammers on it gives the certain snarl that he has.
Speaker 2:I mean geezer was awesome, you know, and, uh, them guys been with black Sabbath even through deal, you know, and but Bill Ward, the drummer and man, he looked every bit of 80, you know he hasn't played in 30 years the set so. And he looked 80 30 years ago and and tommy said that because he hasn't played in a long time, you know that he never does the same thing twice. So they really had to listen to his drumming style just to figure out the guitar. You know the riffs that go with the drums. So I think they did awesome man.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:He was a little upset. He told Ozzy not to do the solo before the Black Sabbath because they wore him down, because they actually practiced for six songs instead of four. You know, fair is when. Boots was one that they were going to do, which would have been awesome. They actually practiced for six songs instead of four. Fairies Wear Boots was one that they were going to do, which would have been awesome, and Sabbath Bloody what's the song? Sabbath Bloody Sabbath? Yeah, that was the other song that they were going to do. I think Alice in Chains did Fairies Wear Boots, though, didn't? They Was Alice in.
Speaker 3:Chains, even on that, concert chains, even on that. Oh yeah, oh, they crushed it, dude. They crushed it honestly, I think um the singer the new, the guy that replaced lane yeah, he sounds just like him I think he sound.
Speaker 3:I think he sounded more like ozzy than he sounds like lane. Do you want to meet? Thought he did a better job replicating black sabbath ozzy vocals than he does doing the lane st Staley stuff. You know what I mean. But yeah, I thought they were fucking. They were good too. He, particularly he, was good. They were all pretty good. It seemed like they was all on their game.
Speaker 2:I mean. So for a week, me and Cade or Sean, we were trying to figure out what the last song would be, the final. You know, I thought maybe Iron man, because that was huge, but then popped off with Paranoid man, which is their biggest song. So that was appropriate, and so they had 40, 000 people on the stage. They raised a lot of money for parkinson's. Uh, all the proceeds went straight to the research and uh, yeah it's just sad to see somebody a rock god like ozzy man you guys ever go to?
Speaker 1:you ever go see a black sabbath before in a concert?
Speaker 3:nope, I wish I wish my uh, my one buddy who did security for years. He did, uh, security for oz fest and he said it was the wickedest thing he'd ever seen. I want you know when the lights came down and all the the purple crosses and all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah I went to uh oz fest 97. Okay, laxa and plaque sabbath was there that might have been the same park yeah, but they didn't have the draw, they didn't bill ward drumming, they had the drummer from faith. No more with the dreadlocks yeah, he's an animal I can't remember his name.
Speaker 3:It was a great concert, like something I know mike patton's their singer, but I think his name is Mike, something also.
Speaker 1:It was great, but I was just, you know that little mad that Bill Ward wasn't there. I'm like God. I would have seen just the whole, all four of them and stuff, but it was the originals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is weird because they showed this classic rock and roll award ceremony and like everybody was there and Zach Wild did a piano solo covering Black Sabbath, and like the crowd was sitting around the piano and he was up on this round stage and I didn't know what the hell Zach Wild was even singing and he was like, like was he doing a rendition of Ozzy?
Speaker 1:Just like mumbling and making some of his songs he sounds like a, like he's a cat or something like meow meow, meow, meow.
Speaker 2:And you look so different than when he did a mama. I'm coming home the video because I thought that was a girl at first and now I see this dude looks like some Viking.
Speaker 3:I was going to say that. I was going to say he even sings that way straight Viking man. That dude sings straight like a fucking Viking.
Speaker 2:And it was a cool group photo that they took before the concert man with all the musicians and all that, and the one person that I didn't see why he was there, but I guess I get it, was Steven Tyler, you know, I mean, aerosmith just don't have that heavy. Or Billy Corgan, you know I don't classify as like a heavy metal guy you know, see, the early stuff was crazy heavy, but yeah, I get it, you know, but nowadays with his dress wearing.
Speaker 1:They probably asked a lot of favors to get back there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just to get on the show.
Speaker 3:Well, sherrod was just on Billy Corgan's podcast too, so I think they got some kind of good relationship. Did you guys see Jason?
Speaker 1:Momoa was there. Oh yeah, yeah, he caused a lot of ruckus. Yeah, did you see him go in the Maj pit during Pantera?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like, is he crazy and get stabbed or something? Yeah, he's crazy people, he don't care. But you know what that dude's an?
Speaker 2:animal. But you know, it's a known thing that he's a heavy metal dude.
Speaker 1:So that Keanu Reeves vibe where nobody messes with him, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:It seems that way.
Speaker 2:You know like he does his thing, man, it ain't all about acting. He got a TV show about rock climbing. Yeah, I didn't know he was an avid rock climber. When he's not acting, didn't know that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, heather loves him, so we were pretty well versed in Mamala.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean he used to be married to Lisa Bonet, cosby Kazia, lisa Bonet, so but we're like I always take it off to a different avenue, so let's just bring it back in. We're going to take a quick commercial break and when we come back we're going to talk about what are you playing.
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Speaker 2:All right, welcome back. And we are just going to be jumping straight into this topic because it's something that we have done basically all of our lives. We like to play games video games, cards checkers, chess, dominoes, try animals, whatever you want to call sorry operation mousetrap. I can keep going on and on. As Jim said at the beginning of the show, there are thousands of board games, man and uh, dice games and all this other stuff, man, stuff that I've never even heard of pickup sticks, barrel monkeys, cooties, uh, uh. But what are you guys playing, man?
Speaker 1:well, first thing, or yeah, what I'm playing is uh.
Speaker 1:I'm still like nintendo switch mainly, and the game that I've been playing lately because they're gonna have a dlc coming up soon with uh is a retro mania wrestling okay, I've seen that that's pretty good game it's uh kind of like wrestle fest, that old arcade game for wwf back in the early 90s, late 80s, and it's it's the, the pixels and stuff is just like that, but it's like centered kind of around the nwa 10 pounds of gold, the title, yeah, and it has a mix of older wrestlers and modern wrestlers. There's like 19 wrestlers in there now and some of them are like the road warriors are in there Nikita Koloff, uh, austin idol that's some legends. And then they have like uh nineties, like the blue world order.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And Tommy dreamers in there, and Colt cabana and matt cardona and brian myers, and then they have some newer, newer guys like uh zach saber, jr chris bay, jeff cobb they just have a like a whole bunch of wrestlers, but and they have like uh, tag, three-ways, four-way matches, a rumble, like a Royal Rumble kind of thing, where someone keeps coming out and stuff. But here's the kicker the DLC is coming in September and the wrestlers they have six wrestlers going to be added Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson, the Rock and Roll Express, magnum, ta Axe and Smash or Demolition. And they just announced the other day Macho man is going to be in the game. Now.
Speaker 2:Right on. Yeah, the game looked good, man, I was going to download it when it first came out on the phone, yeah, and I just never got around to it. I think at the time I didn't have enough memory space on my phone to uh to bring it in uh. But yeah, as a wrestling fan, I've heard good things about that game through.
Speaker 1:you know, like wrestlers, you know who've been on the top, that they, they still play like, so yeah they also, uh, yeah, they're gonna have more arenas and more different matches and like a house show, a house show mode that you can run a house show, a tournament mode. They're gonna have tag titles and single titles and customization for like their entrance attire and gear. I mean, it's really gonna be good. And the here's the kicker just announced today. It is on sale. It is like 8.99. No, it normally costs 30 dollars, but it's going to be like $9, and it's on Switch, playstation, xbox and Steam. It's all on sale until like the 17th. And Android, yeah, and Android. So this is the time to get it right now. What's the feel like? It's just like that arcade game that Russell Fagin one.
Speaker 3:That's why I like the one me.
Speaker 1:That's that's why I like the one so much is just because it has such a nice feel to it, you know yeah, you could go to like YouTube has like uh, people playing it and stuff, and then or like a reviews and they'll show you the different styles of how to the grappling styles. Like you don't mash buttons, you have to like time it to where when they lock up, that's when you hit whatever button you do and they have little prompts on the screen to tell you how to hit this. Or you're doing this or the guy's wearing down or something those throw me off.
Speaker 3:So bad man when they give you the tips. When does that go? Now I'm like what?
Speaker 1:oh dude, I always, I always miss it and they have meters on the top to where it says like, uh, you push one button to do weak moves and then when your meter goes to the middle, you do medium moves and then when it's all there, your bar is all the way across. Then you do like, like, like, better, better, finisher moves and stuff, and that's it shows you the progress nice it's real cool I definitely have to check that out Again.
Speaker 2:That's called Retro Mania $8.99 on all your video game platforms, so that's a good deal for a game. Yeah, how long have you been playing it Since last fall? So has it become repetitious for you, or is? The fun factor still there.
Speaker 1:It's still fun to play but there's parts of it that's a little repetitious. But I saw an interview with the guy today who made it and he's saying that he doesn't know if they're going to have another update after this one. So he said in six months they'll decide. He said in six months they'll decide because I guess it took once because macho man, he does a move like in real life how he would uh, grab the guy's head and run outside the ring and jump over the top rope and he would do like a neck, uh, a neck snap, and he would snap the guy's neck on the top rope and he would fall outside the ring. It's in the game Basically slam, dunk his head.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's and it's never been in any other game. But when he does he had these other wrestlers and their move, their, everybody has special moves. He said then he has to go to all the other wrestlers and have them re do the pixels and or pixies or whatever sprites and he has to make them all accept the moves and stuff. So he said he didn't know how strenuous that was going to be to do all these wrestlers and you know I tried that move once. Oh, you did. You tried to do it.
Speaker 2:And tripped over the top rope.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Because it's your hand placement, because I'm left-handed and so I'm holding the guy's head, and then you run, you plant your hand on the top rope and like, kick your legs over and then snap the guy's neck on the top rope. Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1:It's just like the rick flair up over the corner over the top, and then, yeah, I could see that, the tournament modes being nice and the house shows, but I think it, if they would really like make create a wrestler so you can create yourself in the game, is would be the next step. Or be a general manager and you run a fed for like a year yeah, it'd be pretty cool too then.
Speaker 1:Then you can every year in the title stay on the same guys or something, and you could like have a fed probably nice to know somebody who was good at that huh ah, there you go, pretty great, and we can invade that game how about you?
Speaker 2:you, keith, where have you?
Speaker 3:been. When we do our family nights here, we like to turn the music up and we play Sonic Racing or Mario kind of racing like that. That's as far as the family time when we play that. I love that and that's the funnest too when we get to race each other. My personal choice is I like doing the time trials where we compete against each other. You know as far as time, because when it goes to split screen I feel like I have a hard time focusing on my screen alone. Yeah, you know what I mean, whereas when it's the one at a time I almost feel like that's the way it should be. You know, done, obviously it's. You know, can't everybody afford to the way it, the way I'm seeing it would be. Everybody in the room has their own screen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, but that I think that would be pretty ideal. But those are the games I think are the funnest we get. And, of course, my daughter. I don't know how she does it, but it's. I feel like I can have a completely flawless run and she still just destroys my time.
Speaker 2:See, if you had my, if you had my eyes, you'd be. No, you know no issues, man. You know, like you still focus and and see what's going on. Wow, so competition at your house is it pretty, pretty thick, you know as far as it can get there.
Speaker 3:But it's between my daughter and my wife. It's never me in the mix. We get in whatever it's always one of the. You know, like my daughter hates to lose and my wife is not the type to lose on purpose. So you feel better and so that tends you know that tends to become a problem, right? Not for me.
Speaker 2:What console is that on?
Speaker 3:Um, the racing games, I believe one is on, I think the. I believe the Sonic one is still on the PlayStation and the Mario one would have to be on a Nintendo, so she has the Switch. So I believe, yeah, that's on the Switch.
Speaker 2:You know, both of you guys just mentioned the Switch and I know, keith, I talked about the Switch 2 coming out. Any plans on getting that upgrading? I mean because the screen looks pretty fabulous. Man on that.
Speaker 1:Uh, not for a year or something size right not for quite a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with that price and isn't it coming out at like 400?
Speaker 1:yeah, four or five, and then the games. Then you got to get the controllers or extra controllers and stuff you know, I find myself like uh, I'm an avid xbox player.
Speaker 2:You know I love xbox, but I haven't even turned it on in like six and a half months seven months, you know since and, uh, I've been staying on the android and lately playing games. Uh, a game that just came out a couple weeks ago is a marvel mystic mayhem. It's a free game. Uh, it's a. It's a turn-based game, and the thing that I'm not big on is you only can play three players at once. You know on your team when the other team can have like 12. Once you know on your team when the other team can have like 12. You know so, and their level might be higher on the computer. So it's like a no-win situation and the build-up of uh hit points and all that and experiences like it's not there.
Speaker 3:And and then the other games that are like that. Right, aren't there games that are like that, where you can go in and you can? You know if you didn't buy this package or whatever. No matter what, you're not going to beat these players.
Speaker 2:But see, these guys aren't selling. You know like they it's not a you got to buy this in order to advance that. They have things for sale, but it's like minimum, you know is like Marvel Strike Force. You can buy the Marvel character that you want, you know, and that is a four on four, four on six team that you put together and strategize four, four on six team that you put together and strategize.
Speaker 2:And then the other game I'm playing from marvel is a contest of champions. It's also a free game and it's kind of like mortal combat it's. But you can't go jumping all over the place, you know like. But the characters are amazing, looking on a computer and you can, you can switch from the computer to the phone and just once you log in, you know it just goes to the other, flawlessly. So as far as like, what's the house playing, you know like when they do get a chance, they'll go to PlayStation and play Crash Bandicoot, uh racing, which is an awesome game. I just I don't like the controllers on the playstation man okay, no more okay.
Speaker 2:So it's like, remember nintendo. They used to have like state-of-the-art controllers. Man with the first one with the ab, and I can't even. It feels weird. Now it's like holding an Atari 2600 joystick, you know, with the one button it's hard.
Speaker 1:Now I don't know why that is See, I never went to PlayStation as a teenager because they started getting too many buttons and stuff and I would never write games that you had to learn 500 combos. I just wanted to do basics. You know like not that much.
Speaker 3:Right, especially when it should be simple, right, yeah, it should be simple, yeah.
Speaker 2:Remember when Raw came out for, I think, playstation, super Nintendo, but you had to hurry up and like once you hit the guy you had to hurry up and input a bunch of like button. You had to hurry up and input a bunch of like button moves yeah. Just to do like a suplex or a body slam and they expect you to memorize all that crap. Yeah, you know I'm not trying to. I want to have fun. I don't want to sit there and like, like, like, have to think really.
Speaker 1:That's when my brother played Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It would be those up down left right, and in all those moves you had to learn and I'm like I'm not learning all that stuff and I would just mash the buttons till I found, you know, a combination that would do the same move all the time to somebody.
Speaker 3:And the whole. You know, knowing all the, the, the codes and the heap. Anyways, you know what I mean. It's like that's not motor skills versus motor skills. Do you know what I'm saying? That's not a utilization. It's like oh, I know all these. You know these combos and these codes to hit you with. Uh, what do they call them? Fatalities?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, and then it's like back, back, back, back, back forward, forward, b, a, and then do like a, a thumb, roll up the control in a matter of like two seconds. Again, that takes away from the fun. Just hit right, a or b, x or y and kill the guy. You know it's just sometimes games like that aggravate me like beyond belief. You know I think I like call of duty games because it's a shoot and kill. You know you switch your weapons out, kill them.
Speaker 2:You know there's no like all these extra buttons to use, and you know I like uh, one of my favorite old school games is command and conquer. It's always been one of my favorite games where you got to build your base up, you know, before the enemies start coming to you and you could build the turrets and the base and the walls and the cars and just go around killing them. So it's Jenny McCarthy's in the Red Alert, ric Flair's in Red Alert 2 as a general and he looks drunk as can be. It's a cool game if you like strategy games, and then I like chess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do you think, eventually, that your TV sets will come with a game controller and the games will be on more like a subscription service, like the way Netflix and that is?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say Netflix got games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think more like the phone or the TV companies or someone will just have like your cell phone would be their controller.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And because everybody has that, so you wouldn't have to give them a controller. So just say download our app and your phone will be the controller in that. It's like this, right here or yeah, that you've got to buy right there that attachment. There you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know like I think I've used this once. Threw it back in the box Backbone. Yeah, it's, you put the phone phone in and your phone is the controller you know, that's like the irony in that fucking name so your, your nickname is backbone, your brother's nickname is what?
Speaker 1:stroke time, stroke time, stroke time the heck kind of family is this no, it's, it's stuff like that, man.
Speaker 2:they try to pull you in. They like, I think, play more and more video games and I think that's like what's wrong a lot, because kids aren't using their imagination, they're only doing it. What about those kids that watch kids on YouTube, play video games instead of even playing video games? That drives me up the wall. Oh yeah, I got one. Well, stroke Time does that, and that drives me up the wall. Oh yeah, I got one. Stroke Time does that, and it drives me crazy. Man, him and Roblox.
Speaker 1:You ever try to show a younger kid like to play a board game, like an old card or board game. Yeah, they start having a fit like I got to get back on the Wi-Fi. It's like no, this is how we played back in the day, you know.
Speaker 2:Right fit, like I gotta get back on the wi-fi. It's like no, this is how we played back in the day. You know, right, right and it's. They get bored real fast. Or remember monopoly, that used to take hours. And then you know stuff at people because they're stealing the money and so you know like, oh, grandma or walk.
Speaker 1:I go to my grandma's house back in the day and it was like she had a deck of cards.
Speaker 2:We just played king's corners and that it's, you know, like my mother, and it was like she had a deck of cards. We just played King's Corners and that it's. You know like my mother-in-law, like the big thing for the grandkids was playing Kerplunk. You know, like it's like a bunch of like spaghetti noodles through holes and it's like a ball, and you know you've got to remove one strand of whatever the hell those sticks are, or the marbles come out, yeah yeah. Or Operation. Operation back in the day used to be cool because they would shock the crap out of you, and nowadays it just vibrates. It doesn't like shock you, which I think is garbage.
Speaker 1:What about the king of anxiety, the old board game Perfection? Oh yeah, yeah, that caused our whole generation anxiety, because that timer's going off and that board is going to blow up on you and you just hear it counting down. You're like uh, uh, uh.
Speaker 2:What's the game? Where you got to push the bubble and the dice shows you the letters, so it's like Troubles and Scrabble.
Speaker 3:Do you think? Think mo has ever played perfection I don't know man that. Yeah, that might that's what I'm saying. That might be a different one for us. So mo check out. Perfection, it's perfection, right? Yeah, perfection, yeah, that's what I thought. I remember had one too. That's in it's. It's exactly as jim was describing it. It is enough to build some crazy anxiety and and he'll.
Speaker 2:You just asked him and I'm sure once he hears this, which will be the the minute it comes out he'll he'll give me response in like 15 minutes I feel like getting old board games and like uh, recording my, my son playing it or something the ladders used to be cool. Candyland used to be cool. The original Mousetrap used to be awesome, man, where you had to set the pieces up. Now, if you look at these remade games, they look like garbage.
Speaker 1:But most of Mousetrap was just the whole building it and then playing around with it and stuff. Most of the time you didn't actually play it, you just were playing with the mice and stuff. And the most of the time you didn't actually play it you just were like playing with the mice and stuff and like the cage coming down and then you had, like, you had the little old man.
Speaker 2:He was in the dive position. So when the ball falls, it hits the diving board and the old man goes diving. Yeah, I thought that was great. Yeah, I forgot what cootie was, but I remember we used to play it all the time, uh oh, that plastic bug.
Speaker 1:And then you had pieces and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it looked like a caterpillar. And then I mean shit, even playing Mr Potato Head. I don't know if that was a game, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1:My aunt had a game back in the way the 60s or 70s and it was called by Jove. It was with greek god, greek gods and stuff, wow, and he had coins like yeah, look up by jove and my. When she passed my brother he wanted to take it and stuff. So he has it up at his house and it's so rare to find online I'm like I gotta look for this freaking game, you know, but I think it costs like 30 to 50 bucks or something I'm like but, there's not a lot out there.
Speaker 1:It wasn't made, there wasn't a lot of it, but I liked it because it had the whole like zeus and like, uh, hermes and all that, all the different gods and stuff, and you got it. There's a board, you get golden fleece and all that. It was real cool you don't even tell me on hate. Uh like an old 70s board game by jove j-o-v-e there it is.
Speaker 2:It's on amazon yeah, bon jovi what's up?
Speaker 3:bon jo, john Bovey, you ever see that shit.
Speaker 2:Darn, doesn't even have like a price on this thing, man. Yeah, so that's a real one. It's like a, it's something like I don't know what the heck that is, but Method. Another game that I like that is like super hard to find, man is Crossbows and Catapults, which was an awesome 80s game where you build the castle and then you got these like catapults or a huge crossbow and like one of the things that you'd have to try to hit is like everything was like on rubber bands so you'd pull the crossbow back and and let the checkers go slide across the floor. You try to hit the horse like right in the front and they would flip the soldiers out.
Speaker 2:So that was like another one of my favorite games growing up. You know before like really video games. I mean, I don't think until seventh grade video games they were around, but nothing like it was atari 2600, right. And then I have the odyssey, which is, uh, one of the first game consoles, so that that that had pong and, uh, a shooting game that I realized later on in life that you don't even have to aim at the TV, just look up backwards and shoot. But have you guys ever?
Speaker 2:tried to play games from back in the day. Have you tried playing those games like now, like Castlevania? Yeah, you know, I used to be good at that game. To suck at it now and I don't know my, it aggravates the crap out of me. Man. Uh, I finally found a computer simulator. It's a free system. Uh, I am bound and determined to beat my nemesis in 2600, which is Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. I'm bound and determined to beat this game.
Speaker 3:Never did it either.
Speaker 2:And then my buddy.
Speaker 3:You get close, right, they show you that you got close, but nope, there's the Ark. You still didn't get it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my buddy, he did it in like 30 minutes and then he's like, ah, it's easy.
Speaker 1:He probably watched a YouTube video on how to beat it.
Speaker 2:There was no YouTube back in the day. Oh yeah, that's right. This is like when we were kids, so I think that game was around in like fourth grade for me, yeah, it had been the 80s.
Speaker 1:What's funny about video games is that it, you know, everybody has their favorite kind and their style and their taste. And if somebody if you or somebody doesn't like a video game, odds are it's because you're bad at it and you're just like I hate that game. But right, not that you it's a bad game, it's just you suck at it. That's why you're judging and you don't like it right.
Speaker 2:You know, has there ever been a game that you could never beat as a kid or a teenager that you still think about, like after you're beating nowadays games, thinking, man, I could beat this hard game, but I can never beat like pitfall or anything.
Speaker 3:I don't think anybody's ever beat pitfall, did they no?
Speaker 2:no, you know, I just I played. I played donkey kong the other day and for the first time I got the first level beak. And how long has that been out? 80, 81. And I just beat one level. We got miss pac-man, the, the table arcade here and I I beat one level and I thought man, that's pretty damn good. And then my wife just whizzes right through this stuff and sometimes those atari ones.
Speaker 1:Those atari ones just keep going until the numbers glitch or something yeah, right, but he's still flipping, it right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I flipped that game yeah, has there been a game, game that to this day bothers you, that you've never beat what?
Speaker 4:was that one.
Speaker 3:See I've been beaten many games. So it's you know what I mean? It was like I get fuck. I can't think of too many that I had that actually did. So usually I don't know the games I play weren't always, they were usually like competition games, so like for a while the only nintendo game I had was a karate champ. Remember I told you about that, about the whole blood sport thing. So it's like you're not real. I mean I guess you can beat that. But at the end it was really just made so my brother and myself could play against each other dude, they uh on this system that I bought on tiktok.
Speaker 2:I talk about it a lot, man man. It's got 20,000 retro games on it. Yeah, the one Contra game. It automatically starts you with 30 guys and you don't.
Speaker 3:Oh there you go.
Speaker 2:You don't have to put the code in, and every time you continue after you run up the guys it just automatically goes right back to 30.
Speaker 2:And I was at 90, 90, 90 something that still didn't beat the game. And I'm like what the hell, you know? And I'm sean's like what, what are you doing wrong, you know, and let's do this together, you know. So we're going to be playing a concert together, probably tomorrow, and uh, see what we could do, because then ghost, never seen that, I never seen the end I think ghost and goblins for uh nintendo.
Speaker 1:I could, I couldn't beat that. I was getting so mad because he's in that uh night suit or whatever. Yeah, he's hucking the the flames or whatever javelins. I couldn't beat that. I could barely get past the first level and I'm just cussing at the thing like this is impossible and even today they say it's hard I, I played that the other day too.
Speaker 2:There's super ghost and goblins and then regular ghost and goblins and it's. It's hard because you get the armor suit. You start with some dude and just like a beach towel, you know for underwear, and then gets he finds the armor and he gets like the knight and a javelin or whatever, and then he gets hit by like a zombie or some undead and he go back to the underwear and he's dead.
Speaker 1:You know you get hit the second time. It's a bag of bones that just goes flying.
Speaker 2:You know. So I've been trying to play these games and Gauntlet, that's another one of my uh favorite games and uh arcade games. What do you guys feel about arcades?
Speaker 3:I'm. I think there's some cool arcades that are still out there, you know, I mean, if you happen to catch one, there's one in this, uh, this mall in monroe, michigan, where, if you don't happen to look at the right time, you would never even know there was a mall there. It's like trees, the driveway and then more trees, and that driveway leads you back into this mall and it's like the one or two times that we've been there it's like there's really never anybody there. But they got all these stores in there, but they had this neat arcade that has older video games games, but they also have a lot of pinball games like, but they're like current pinball games. They have like the foo fighters and led zeppelin and, uh, star wars and you know a bunch of cool stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So I think the arcade atmosphere is awesome, you know, I just wish they you could guarantee safety, you know they have in illinois, I think they said the us is biggest arcade, it's called the galloping ghost, it's like five floors, it's a five floor arcade and uh, it's pretty cool, man and and I've always wanted to go there. But damn man, I remember going with like rolls of quarters to arcades and never beating the game and getting pissed that I spent that much money. Uh, five, five bucks a roll. But uh, the one game me and sean used to dump money into is, uh, x-men. Uh, oh, yeah, for the four-player game I think it was children of the atom, I think was the name x-men. But that was good. We finally beat that after like 40 bucks, yeah.
Speaker 3:See, I remember when I was a kid, like little, little like five, six years old, and the video games being in bars in the neighborhood, being like in the neighborhood bars and the kids.
Speaker 3:There was like a Ms Pac-Man in this. You know, in this bar that was like two blocks from where I lived before we we ever moved to the East Tolledo, when we lived in the south end of of toledo, but uh, it's like you know what you would consider a dangerous neighborhood. You know, especially if you just saw that video of uh that that dude stabbing the bus driver here in toledo did you catch that one?
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure what part of town that was, but when they said bancroft, I I'm like, oh man, we used to live on Bancroft. I hope that's not Toledo. And then, yeah, sure enough it was the big announcement.
Speaker 2:The big announcement last week was Chuck E Cheese. They're opening up an adult arcade for grown ups instead of little kids, and all that, but they're making it retro style looking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's cool. When I think of adult arcade, I think of the bookstore that was down the street from my house growing up, so that was the adult arcade, you know the dollar booths who sit there, but that's a whole different.
Speaker 2:That's a whole different what are you yeah? That's a different. What are you playing?
Speaker 1:Nintendo Online. The membership is that when you're playing those old games you could rewind the game Any of the games you could rewind it and if you die you could hurry up and rewind it with a certain button and then you could play again to where you didn't die and stuff. Plus, you could save any of your video game progress and stuff and continue.
Speaker 2:I have to check that out, I'll switch. We got to switch and we never play it.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, there's a ghost.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, it was an orb Moth's just flying around in here now, man, what's up with that? Another great game about 10, 15 years ago, man, marvel Alliance 1 and 2. That was a good game. Not about 10, 15 years ago, man, marvel alliance one and two. That was a good game, yeah. Or you could just choose random, like villains or superheroes, and have them, uh, team up. That was a good game. Uh so, but there's a lot of games, man, and I I'd love to see, I can't wait to see, I should say in about 10 years, if I'm still living, man, where's video games gonna be? Because, like oculus, you know the meta, oculus and vr. I played a game the other day where I was standing in an arcade looking around while things are flying at you in virtual reality fitness, uh, and it killed me, man. But you like to look on the roof, man? It was Gallica up on the roof like going, and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have played a virtual reality dinosaur game that we actually. I have video footage of me playing it. I had to dig it up and try and send it to you guys because my wife and daughter can't hold the camera steady because they're laughing so hard. I'd never done virtual reality before. They had me grab these things. And the guy's like, okay, turn around. And I turn around and there's already a fucking dinosaur in my face, oh my God. So it was like holy shit. You know what I mean. I'm moving, cussing, trying to kick him off my legs.
Speaker 2:There's a game on Oculus that you're on a team like a military team, and you gotta be silent and you take people out by either stabbing them, by killing them or sniping them, but you, you command the team, you give the hand signals, you tell them when to take people out or you do it yourself. And it's so realistic, man, and and I'm like this is just, it's crazy. But you know, it's like sometimes when I'm stressed at work and I'll come home and I'll put the Oculus on and I can go sit on the beach with the headphones on and listen to the birds in the ocean and see people walking by, because it's in real time and I feel like I'm just sitting there, because you can look around. The only thing you can't do is touch the sand unless you're in some sandbox or something. Right, you kind of really feel like you're there. Or if you take a trip with the Blue Angels and you're in the back of the jet and the dude's like two inches above your head, upside down in another jet, it's kind of freaky, yeah.
Speaker 1:My work. They have a virtual reality. We have to do like a online training and stuff and we had several uh of the classes are on uh with the virtual reality things and I've had to do that like like they give scenarios and stuff, like if someone comes in shooting or someone comes in like protesting and starting stuff, and I'm looking around and there's like a whole store and usually like you go, pull your.
Speaker 2:You pull your gun out and shoot them.
Speaker 1:Well, usually I just like I'll whoever's in the rooms, like you said, keith, just like wetting themselves laughing because I'm just like I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:What are you looking at, you weirdo, and it looks like all it's hilarious. Well, it's like at the oculus you can, uh, you can watch on iphone or android or the tv and, uh, you can watch what the other people are seeing and it's pretty cool. You know, like they have a plank. I'll walk the plank game, man, and you actually get in the elevator, go to like a 90 floor story building and then the elevator opens up and there's like a little plank and you can see the whole city, you know. So you're like, oh shit, and you're like one of the games is to walk to the end, pick a donut up. And, uh, we were watching. I was waiting for my kid to pick the damn donut up and so she did. I pushed her and you see her falling. Dude, it's just actually like like wailing her hands or like.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, my, my daughter did the same, did the block the plank thing. It freaked her out almost instantly. They, they let her switch games, you know. So I assume eventually it's going to be like they had on the Simpsons, where it's the yard work simulator. You ever see that Bart didn't want to cut the grass.
Speaker 2:He wanted to go in and play his game, and his game was the yard work simulator. Hey, so this has been our video game chat of what we're playing and we hope you can. While listening to this, a lot of things come to your, your mind, like memories and of games that you play or played with your family, and you know something that you've either enjoyed a lot or absolutely hated. You know you get pissed off and have to stand up and just leave. Uh, monopoly was one of them. But before, before we leave, jim, yes, what kind of quote you got for us this week? Or knowledge, or Okay.
Speaker 1:Here it is. If someone is judging you, that's their problem. Don't make it yours.
Speaker 2:Well, I get it, you're not making something bigger than it is yeah, why worry about it?
Speaker 1:that's on them. You're fueling the fire if you do, controlling your own story and your own narrative.
Speaker 2:Don't let anyone mess with you alright, before we leave, you guys got any final thoughts?
Speaker 3:No, just I feel like I always forget something. You know, yeah, there's the train. I feel like, oh, it was like some point during the week. It's like, oh shit, I should have said something about this. I miss everybody's birthdays and everybody being on me. It's like, oh, I could have said whatever, but it passed. So I don't know, I can't think of what's coming up.
Speaker 1:Is anybody asking about the basketball tournament still, or any listeners?
Speaker 3:Does anybody even know about it that much? Remember that episode didn't come out where we talked about it.
Speaker 1:Scott was racing to break the team pictures out and all of a sudden it was like oh, no, no, it'll be coming.
Speaker 2:It'll be coming, no, it'll be coming. One thing in two weeks or three weeks, we are doing a collaboration with the Powers Point podcast and Majors Mess Hall, so it's going to be interesting that one should be fun and we got to work on some times there because Chris is in Gavin.
Speaker 2:I'd like Gavin to pick out some of the stuff, because he picks out interesting, like crazy, weird things. But yeah, we want to get Chris on and he's either in Wales or Ireland, so we got to like kind of watch his time and then, uh, tony is uh the other mess hall and then Gavin, so it'll be interesting to see who, uh he picks from the mess hall to be with us.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:So that just gives us something to look forward to. And uh, with that from myself, jim and keith, we bid you adieu and, uh, we will talk to you next week bye everybody, sayonara.
Speaker 4:Well, the lights are low and the words been said and the stories we told Still rattle in my head. Ain't no curtain call, just a whispering wind Telling me it's time To go again. Left a laugh or two In the static and sound. Might not change the world, but I stuck around Like a coffee cup ring On a Warnwood desk. It ain't much, but I gave it my best. So I walk on out Boots full of time. I ain't much, but I gave it my best. So I walk on out boots full of time.
Speaker 4:I ain't looking back. Got peace in my mind If you remember my name or the way I spoke. That's enough for me. That's a smoke from the oak. Maybe I'm just a shadow in a radio hum, maybe I'm a thought when the whiskey runs. But I showed up. Yeah, I did my part. Left a little bit of soul in every heart. Now I walk on out Boots full of time. Ain't looking back. Got peace in my mind If you remember my name or the way I spoke. That's enough for me. That's the smoke from the oak. This is where I leave you. Until next time. Keep your feet moving and your spirit loud.
