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The 27 Club
What dark forces connect legendary musicians who died at exactly 27? The mysterious "27 Club" includes some of music's most brilliant minds - Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Amy Winehouse - all claimed at the same haunting age.
Our hosts dive deep into the origins of this phenomenon, tracing it back to blues legend Robert Johnson, whose supernatural guitar skills spawned myths of a deal with the devil at the crossroads. When Johnson mysteriously died at 27 in 1938, it began what would become a disturbing pattern.
The conversation takes particularly fascinating turns when examining recent revelations about Kurt Cobain's death. A new witness claims to have been present when Cobain was murdered, contrary to the official suicide ruling. We explore the compelling evidence suggesting Cobain's suicide note may have been partially forged, and the suspicious timing of Hole bassist Kristen Pfaff's death shortly afterward - also at 27.
Beyond the sensational theories, we examine what makes this phenomenon so captivating. Is it merely confirmation bias focusing on famous people who happened to die at the same age? Or does the intense pressure of fame, coupled with substance abuse and the "live fast, die young" lifestyle, create a perfect storm for vulnerable young artists? We even discuss the bizarre "white lighter curse" - the superstition that white lighters were found at multiple 27 Club death scenes.
Whether you believe in cosmic connections or statistical coincidences, this episode offers a thoughtful exploration of creativity, fame's dark side, and our need to find meaning in tragedy. Email us at powerspointpodcast@yahoo.com with your own theories or suggestions for future topics!
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On this episode of the Powerspoint Podcast, we sit down and talk about a club, A club that is shrouded in mystery, studied by scientists and debated on by everyone. We're talking about none other than the 27 Club. Hey Scott, give us that club beat.
Speaker 2:Well, hello, hello, welcome to the Powers Point Podcast. I'm Scott Powers, and with me is Jim Banks, hello, and, as always with us, keith Mackey from Toledo. Hello, you know, it feels good to have the crew back, guys. I'm not going to lie. If you just tune in wondering what we are about, well, hello, you know it feels good to have the crew back, guys, I'm not going to lie. If you're just tuning in and wondering what we are about, well, the only thing I can say is we talk about anything and everything, with the exception of two things. We don't talk religion. We don't talk politics. We like to keep things lighthearted and have a laugh or two, but no more than three. That's my limit. That's in our contract, guys. That's my limit. That's in our contract, guys. No more than three. So let's, uh, let's just do good. And I didn't sign a contract, oh, shoot. So so you're, you're not liable for it. Oh, my god, can't be held.
Speaker 2:Today, as jim said, we are diving into a mystery that's haunted music fans, conspiracy theorists and pop culture junkies for decades the 27 27 Club. You guys probably heard of it, those legendary artists who all left us at tragically young age of 27. But what's the deal. Is it a curse, a coincidence or a statistical fluke? Make sure you grab your headphones, folks, because we are about to break it down. This one. It hit me the other day as I was driving. I'm like man, it's just. This is a good subject for us to talk about. It's weird, it's different people, a lot of conspiracy theorists hit it and also it has not only the age, but a little object known as a white lighter. I don't know if you guys have seen that in their research. I guess by all the bodies when these people pass, there's always a white lighter, like a big lighter, grows by them. So I'm like, well, I'm not buying no lighter, no more, no white lighters. Definitely looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 3:And there was a lot of new information on a few of these that just like kind of came out too. So this, this the timing is good. For that reason also, I believe.
Speaker 2:You know like we always try to think of like different subjects that will grab people and get their attention. I believe this one will get them. But before we do all that, it's been a couple weeks since all three of us have been here together, so what have you guys been up to?
Speaker 3:Myself, I keep watching the same documentary on a band called Killing Joke Jim. Are you familiar with them?
Speaker 1:Killing Joke. I've heard of them.
Speaker 3:They're from late 70s, 80s and they're still. I believe they're still well. I don't think they're still going today because one of the members passed away but he wasn't 27. Uh, let me see the. But the documentary is called the death and resurrection show and it's on tubi and I just been watching the shit out of that thing, like I like I don't know, I just when I like something and I can actually engage in it, like I watch the shit out of it, oh okay, and that's what I've been doing lately. So, and I actually feel now that I'm familiar, you know way more. I say I've always, like uh, been vaguely familiar with them, but not recently am I like really, really into them and uh, kind of feel like their singer is very precursor to uh, kurt cobain okay I guess should we just kind of start with him yeah, after the commercial, we're gonna just like deep dive into this okay, and we didn't.
Speaker 3:And I'm telling you what I'm doing jim didn't?
Speaker 1:you guys didn't say what you're oh I was uh basically not to get into it too much, but I had a family member going to the uh had to go to chicago university of chicago and uh hospital procedure and back and forth and back and forth and taking the son to school and dealing with our dog and it's like it's just a headache and you guys some of you guys know how to. That you've been dealing with too in the past.
Speaker 3:Did you catch Jimmy's cold at all?
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 3:Thank goodness he had a.
Speaker 1:I forgot that's a twin. Yeah, he had a. I forgot that's him. Yes, he had a cold. Uh, he just had a cold right when this all started and trying to keep him away from everybody and you know the dog, and oh, it's just a mess. Well, they say also the weather. I mean today it was what 75 or something here yeah yeah, and the wind. And the wind was just blowing like 40 miles an hour. I'm like what's going on around here? It was 30 like yesterday or something.
Speaker 2:And it feels like you're standing in a hairdryer with the wind and you're just like you can't even feel good. The humidity was up.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to rain and drop tomorrow and the next day, or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course it's the weekend, of course it's going to do that.
Speaker 2:Hey, you remember when, uh, andrew dice clay used to say, we used to say people had the wind tunnel tested hairdo, yeah, everything, that's when they, when the wind's blowing and you know the hair's just going to shit. Oh so, all in all, man, everything else, okay, jim in the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah pretty much jump. I've been uh, had this time off. I've been uh, cleaning my basement with all my garbage and just I'm deciding I can't any longer just do it. I'm just starting making garbage bags and just throwing stuff away. And it's just finding a whole bunch of like home videos and like, uh, like the old reel to reels. There's a place online that has uh like family history stuff, I find, and they, they'll take your film I don't know if it's in Utah or something, the one of the best ones in the world and uh, or in the America, and they take your film like that You're reel to reel, they'll fix it and then they'll digitize it any way you want and they can take each frame of the film and make stills of that and they, they fix everything up and send the original back to you and you know, whatever drive you have or dvds or stuff of all your things, and you know, I, I looked into this because when my mother-in-law died, she she had some reels and it's very expensive.
Speaker 2:But if you, if you go to amazon, you could buy that yeah film converter for like 66 bucks and I was like really, yeah, you know. But, like my wife said, how many times we're gonna really use that once you convert things, you know and, yeah, well, then we can convert other people's stuff, you know, sell to them absolutely. You know, because, like, at the one place I was looking, man, it was like 180 for a nine inch reel and I'm like for what you know, like, and they can't even guarantee you, you know, if the film breaks or whatever cause being old and Jim being that, that's film you know, that's old, so it's it's?
Speaker 1:it's like when I was born in the seventies and all the seventies, christmases and stuff, and that's right, right and uh, that's right, right and and that's frail, yeah, and I got my grandparents ones that were from the forties and fifties, when my mom was like a kid and that and I'm like, oh, I gotta get, I gotta get a professional. I don't want to mess these up. It'll like, like you said, crumble in my fingers and I'll cry or something.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and then the whole family looks at you like you ruined the whole thing. You know, the only thing I've been doing, man, it's work, sleep, nursing home, work, sleep in hospital, work, sleep, nursing home, and it's like the only good thing is is I save money by doing that, you know, because I'm not going anywhere. But now my pops, like I said, he's in this, they call it a resort and it got Starbucks and everything in it. I seen these double bacon cheeseburgers for like $10, with real homemade cut fries and all that and it's like $10. And I'm like, oh man, this is like the wrong thing for me to see, because I love eating out, you know.
Speaker 1:It makes you think when our generation x hits that old folks home, you know time, yeah. And then when we're the old ones, it'll be like they'll have arcades and nintendos and segas and all the old stuff that we used to play with and stuff yeah, great, how straight would that be, man's every arcade, we'll be out of our mind having like slushies or something and playing old nintendo. Like just sitting there, like not knowing what we're doing, just playing that would be.
Speaker 2:That would be awesome really, but that's all I've been doing, man, so I'm really interested in like jumping in on this in this topic. So we're going to take a quick commercial break and when we return we're going to dive deep in the club 27. So stay tuned, we'll be back after these messages, if you want to hear all the action.
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Speaker 2:As we said before the commercial, we're going to dive into the 27 Club. Here's the basics. Okay, the 27 Club isn't an actual club with membership cards or secret handshakes even though that would be pretty cool. It's the name given to the eerie pattern of iconic musicians dying at the age of 27, often at the peak of their fame. You know we're talking about all kinds of legends like Hendrix and Joplin and others, and the names alone aren't enough to make you sit up and go wait. What's going on here? There's like so much stuff, that is, are people cursed? Are they? I have issues? You know like some are suicides, some are like wrecks. You know, like why are these people dropping dead at 27 and every age, like in comedy and everything? They have like a 32 club. You know, and I never knew that until I was researching this, what do you guys got man on this?
Speaker 1:the secret club one of the first ones that was in this uh club was robert johnson. He was, uh, he's been called the master of the blues. He grew up in in the Mississippi Delta area back in the early thirties or twenties and thirties and little is known about his life because he they didn't keep records and stuff and it was the, of course, the time of uh, you know, bad part of American history and that for uh African-Americans. And the basics is it was said that he sold his soul to the devil at the local crossroads in return for a music success, musical success and basically he like started playing the guitar and stuff but wasn't really good and he was average. And then he went away for a year and nobody know where he went. And he came back and all of a sudden he just made these songs were like unheard of and everybody's like what the heck happened and stuff. And somehow they said that he sold his hold of the devil to be able to play that.
Speaker 2:And what he came back with. He played better than what most people at the time, but there's still, to this day, musicians you know like that are wondering how he did that.
Speaker 1:In a year? Yeah, Like a couple of months or a year. How did he get to that level? There's no way.
Speaker 2:If you listen, like you said, man, he was just a normal guy playing the guitar man, and it wasn't no big deal, it wasn't something that you were going to run home and be like hey, you got to listen to Robert.
Speaker 1:When he came back, things happened man and that's where the myth came in at the crossroads, and he only had two recording sessions recorded and only 29 songs. Some of them have like two takes and stuff, but only 29 songs. And rock legends like Robert Plant, bob Dylan, keith Richards they all said he influenced their work and Clapton said that he was the most important blues singer to ever live. There was a documentary on Netflix called Devil at the Crossroad. Yeah, that's a good one and it's just a quick, under an hour or something, but it really gives the basics of everything and that even in his death, it was mysterious because they didn't tell the public that he died, because they were just using his music and stuff. And when someone finally found his death certificate, it said unknown causes which back then they weren't going to check Right, right, especially in the poor South.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, which is where he is from. Just throw him in a hole. We'll call it a date. Yeah, only a date and a location. That's it. And I think only recently in the last decade did they finally put a headstone on, and it was what he died in, like the late 30s.
Speaker 1:August 16th 1938.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the dude just got a headstone. That shows how much importance they put on African Americans in the South.
Speaker 1:And there was actually like three locations. People swear that his body's there but it could have been like an unmarked grave that they're guessing that it's this one grave. But he was, I guess. He sang like Sweet Home, chicago. He made that song crossroad blues me and the devil blues hellhound on my trail. Some of the songs are like devil and hellhound. It's like god. Was he actually telling it you?
Speaker 2:know, or was he telling it to hype it up?
Speaker 1:yeah, like thinking he had more time. But they also said he was like a womanizer and uh, and he would have like he got cocky when he came back and stuff, and that's what might have did him in right, where the actual devil just took him.
Speaker 2:I don't know again that that could be on our conspiracy theory. Uh, myth show too, man, because there's so much behind that guy.
Speaker 1:I'm sure the devil went down to georgia was, uh, probably taken or used by when charlie daniels made it probably about him a little bit there.
Speaker 2:That's crazy man what else?
Speaker 3:got keith, you got any? Uh, he's. I feel like robert johnson's definitely a good place to start, um, especially considering, uh, like you're saying, robert planton definitely, uh, jimmy page would have been influenced by him. And, uh, if you heard last week's episode, I love Jimmy Page. Let's just make that clear. Whatever I said about you know, I mean what I said. I was being, uh, whatever. I love Jimmy Page, let's say that. But he's also, coincidentally, in the Killing Joke documentary and, as I was saying, I feel like, um, the the raspy voice sound is very similar to the way Kurt Cobain sang, and Kurt was obviously another one that was taken away at 27.
Speaker 3:Now, recently there's been a witness. I don't know if you guys have seen this at all. There's a guy saying that he was there the night that he was murdered, that it was two guys, one dude named Dylan Carlson and the other guy, I can't remember, said that Kurt had come home and was trying to throw those guys out of his house because he was trying to leave the country. He was leaving Nirvana to go do whatever it was, you know, I mean he was going to do and his suicide note was actually sent to another person, because that was him saying that he was leaving Nirvana and it's been since then proven by handwriting apps experts that, uh, the bottom of his suicide note was not written by him. And they found two people. Yeah, they found practice pages where Courtney love had been practicing his handwriting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, and there's what? There's a lot of shit tied involved in that and you always got to, you know, you got to say, well, who prospers the most? But in this case there's people actually saying it was her and supposedly, again, allegedly, she has been in some kind of like drunken stupor and admitted. Yeah, they say one or two people said that she's actually gone.
Speaker 3:You know not on record, that you know not on record. That was I was about to say on record, that was not what she did, but she's like let it slip and admitted that you know. And so there there's I can't remember what the girl's name is, but in her and another couple of people. They're really trying hard to get the case reopened and I think there was just some kind of switch in the Seattle Police Department where they're actually looking at seriously reopening the case and looking at all the flawed ways that it was handled and the way he was ruled a suicide. Basically the same day they found him dead and he was cremated within like a couple of days. And there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of conspiracy to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to say that when they cremated him they did it publicly, like like the old Viking days, and they, they, they burned him right in the middle of the the town. They had a bed. Yeah, I'm almost. I don't know if I dreamt that, but I remember when it went down back when it happened.
Speaker 1:I remember them showing like police sketches or or like how the shotgun that shot him and they said that, oh, he shot himself and I'm like his arms couldn't reach right, pull the trigger, that had to be, and I always thought she had something to do with it. And they said that, oh, he shot himself and I'm like his arms couldn't reach Right. He pulled a trigger, that had to be, and I always thought she had something to do with it. Yeah, and then, if you look on this list, this very list right after Kurt Cobain, a couple weeks later, or a month or two later, it's Kristen Pfaff. Kristen Pfaff, yeah, he's the basis for the band Hole.
Speaker 3:Alleg.
Speaker 1:He's the basis for the, the band uh whole that court allegedly who kurt cobain was going to europe with. I'm like what is the famous saying is there's no such thing as a coincidence, right, she ties with courtney love and kurt ties with courtney love and they both get mysteriously. She drug overdose and her cobain killed himself. No, that's that's.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, that's something even with my eyes I could see that you know, like the amount of the amount of copycat suicides that have happened since then man, and that's just the tragedy. Now, you know, I mean it's a tragedy on its own, but the fact that it was, I don't know. That's just so. And I'll be honest, even though he wasn't, you know, wasn't 27, he lived to be an older age.
Speaker 1:But I firmly believe that I don't think chris cornell committed suicide either. Yeah, I heard there was some stuff on that too, that he was say something and then they got rid of him before he right.
Speaker 3:And then they're saying that kid from uh lincoln park did it a week later to copy him.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't buy that either because that dude went to chris cornell's funeral, right? Wasn't he the lead singer, limp Bizkit, linkin Park? Oh, yeah, linkin Park, yeah, and I think it's on a record that you know. He said he wouldn't go out like that and didn't want to put his people through that, and then that's how he went out he actually did a brief stint as the lead singer for Stone Sample Pilots.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you ever heard that, but that is. They did a four-song ep. I think it's called high rise, but uh, that's some rocking. That's really rocking like that's good stuff. If your fans of either band or both bands you know, I mean that would definitely be something for the years.
Speaker 1:Right on man, right on the. Okay, back on this list I had one, uh, rudy lewis. He was in the, the lead singer for the band the drifters, and he's, uh, he sang, uh most popular songs by them was, uh, please stay some kind of wonderful up on the roof and on broadway. And the craziest part was he was 27 and on the night before or they were going to record under the boardwalk which was written for him and he was was found dead in his Harlem hotel room and died the previous night before they recorded it. I mean that's crazy, dude. And the autopsy said it was a probable drug overdose. Which probable, like we said?
Speaker 3:who knows when did they? When was probable and acceptable? Uh, you know somebody. It's like when people say accidental overdose and you're messing. When was probable and acceptable? You know version to give somebody.
Speaker 2:It's like when people say accidental overdose, yeah, and you're messing with that stuff, right? You're always taking a chance. It's not an accident that you stuck yourself with heroin, right? It's a problem every time.
Speaker 2:It's not an accident that you just did an eight-ball Coke, you know, and drink a whole bottle of JD. You know that's not accidental to me, man Right. An accident was like trip, because you stubbed your toe on the table and when you're laying on the ground the bag of Coke fell out and went in your throat and you OD'd that way. That's accidental to me, man. Or somebody was playing darts with a syringe and threw a heroin needle and it just happened to catch you in the vein.
Speaker 1:And a lot of these uh 27 club. What really started making it go crazy was around like what, 60, 1969 and 1970 there was a couple weeks or months separated there a lot of the big, big names on this were dying and all uh 27 and people were freaking out and stuff. Who was the? Was it like uh, brian jones, I think brian j, who was the? Or was it like Brian Jones?
Speaker 3:I think Brian Jones was the first. Yeah, and the Rolling Stones, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then it said I don't know if it was Jimi Hendrix or Janis Joplin, was that yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he drowned it. And then um a couple other, uh, a German singer and a lead singer for drug overdose I don't know that, alan wilson.
Speaker 2:but then all of a sudden, jimmy hendrix died and then joplin died exactly one month to the day right behind him, and that was his the jimmy hendrix could have been avoided.
Speaker 3:Yeah, from the way that, at least that I've heard the story that it could. You know that the women he was with like took like 20 minutes or so to try, and, you know, put everything away before they call any. You know I mean, but that's again, that's, that's folklore. We don't know, because I've also seen other people saying like I know that was somebody fed him a hot package, you know, because they wanted him out.
Speaker 1:So you never know oh, stuff back then was always uh, you didn't know what they were doing. They were doing such crazy drugs, right, yeah? Then janice joplin passed a drug overdose right after him, and then a couple others, or one other singer from uh who is it? Arlist or christian? Uh dyke and the blazers frontman vocalist. But then all of a sudden jimmy hendrix died, or jim morrison died I'm sorry, jim, heart failure have you seen any of the, the recent, like what they're saying?
Speaker 3:there's new stuff come out about that now. No, they're saying that Morrison actually OD'd at a club, that he was using heroin in France and he left to get away from shit but it was his lady, you know, was into it so much and whatever that she got him back into it, whatever that she got him back into it, and that he had actually died in the bathroom of a club. And that there's people that that say that they saw uh, two dudes like walking him out, like, yeah, arm and arm, like walking him out, and that they put him in the bathtub.
Speaker 2:and all that afterwards because I don't know, I don't know why, maybe with the, the water and then there's a a whole thing with that too, that they cremated him before anybody can, even even a doctor. You know only two people seen this dude dead pam, and whoever cremated him. Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 1:and then, a couple years after morrison passed, then she passes from uh, an alleged drug overdose too, and she was the heir to his estate, but they weren't they estate, but they weren't. They were together but they weren't like legally name change married. Right, her name wasn't Morrison.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, supposedly the other lady was legally married to him, Patricia Keneally.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the lady who's the the the, like the witch who claims that she's a witch. Yeah, good one to marry bud.
Speaker 2:But eh, you know, he says it seemed like a good idea at the time. Let's talk about something else here, man. It may not be just a coincidence, but a lot of people think that it could be something cosmic at play. Some folks point to numerology 27's got that mystical vibe being three cubed and three is a big deal in spirituality. Others say it's the live fast, die young lifestyle, drugs, booze and the pressures of fame hitting the breaking point. There's even the as I mentioned earlier, the white lighter curse. That's the old superstition about white lighters being bad luck, supposedly found near almost all these people that died. That's crazy. Yeah, that's really crazy. I never heard that one. Yeah, I never heard that one either, you know. And then these people are dying at the height of their fame, and I think people are only noticing it because the people that are dying are famous. If it was you or me, or whatever Girls go every day yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, that list would be in the millions. People only notice this because of fame, which is sad, because everybody deserves recognition, you know, and a lot of people die naturally cancer or whatever. We're not all old dn and. But then there are some people that died, like reba. Mcintyre's band was in a plane crash. They they were headed to Indiana in 1991. She had two 27-year-old band members and the plane hit the mountain and killed them. You know good, they're heading to Indiana, but almost the whole band died, but there was two 27-year-olds on there. So of those people that died I think there was eight People.
Speaker 1:Only see them two that are 27 years old and they even did scientific studies on all these deaths and stuff the whole club list and they didn't find anything really that sticks out besides the, the basic facts of fame may increase the risk of death among musicians because of their young age and getting all the celebrity and just not caring and stuff Right. A lot of those just accidents.
Speaker 2:Conspiracy theorists. They believe in the curse. So we have drugs, alcohols, accidents, cosmic curses. Let's get real. Scientists and statistics have poked at this and they're not buying the curse angle. They say it's a mix of confirmation bias. Again, we only know to them because of their fame. It still gives you a little bit of a chill, even though we may not believe that.
Speaker 1:We're still like oh, and they're, they're even attaching, like you said, they're attaching like actors and actresses or sports people to this list just to try to keep it going. You know, yeah, with all conspiracy, and you're like, no, you're kind of it was just musicians, but you're adding this stuff now, right, and you got to figure.
Speaker 3:There's so many celebrities, there has to be several other ages that there's just like way more amount of oh yeah, people who died at that age.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean when everybody says hendrix and morrison andoplin, that's when everybody starts, you know, oh, that's the number, it's like no, and I think it really picked up when those top-named people that you just mentioned all died.
Speaker 2:Boom, boom, boom, like back to back to back, you know.
Speaker 1:Before the internet and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Hendrix and Joplin. They were dating and then all of a sudden she dies one month after he did. I don't know, maybe it's the heroin behind the eyeball, the shooting up heroin from Hendrix. That don't have nothing to do with it. They were all heavy into the drug ads. I don't know, man. I don't know what to believe in this thing. Man. Is it just the sad roll of dice in their life that they've got? And I don't know. I didn't think I'd make it past 32, and here I am 52, and wondering why, how have I made it this far when a lot of like younger people are gone?
Speaker 1:Well you just don't question it, man, just keep going. That's all you can do, right yeah?
Speaker 2:So you guys got any more names or who you want to throw out there.
Speaker 1:Those are pretty much the big ones, I think.
Speaker 3:I mean there's Amy Winehouse, but didn't. I thought that was you wanted to speak on her right, here we go.
Speaker 2:And she died from alcohol poisoning and if you notice her, in the last couple of days she was slurring her words, forgetting her the lyrics of the songs. She had an awesome voice, man, it was like she's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, amazing writer. It was that voice man. It was like she's yeah, amazing writer. It was that machine man. It was that machine you think about.
Speaker 3:On a different episode you were talking about the little drummer boy and when you hear that and it reminds you of your dog, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, imagine when she was putting all this stuff into her music and it's about this man who is either in jail or whatever the fuck, but it was really painful for her to where the point where you know there's songs that I don't want to ever hear again and I loved them at one point because you know they were what I was into when you know what I mean reminds me of being with Comet. You know the dog, you know what I mean, or something like that, where it's just you don't want to listen to them and to try and force this. This girl who was no matter what she may be may have been ultra talented, but these are still young people with young people minds, you know I mean the three of us were old and bitter and been through enough shit to where we're not you know what I mean where maybe it's not going to make us break in the same way, but they're, you know, trying to force her through this night after night after night after night, and have a like a smile on her face about it.
Speaker 2:you know what I mean you know a lot of people. They want the fame, but they don't want what comes with the fame. Right, money, luxury, fine, but the peer pressures of being at this tv studio for an interview, this radio show for an interview, this radio show for an interview, the lack of sleep, the hard partying, the people that you surround yourself with because because her boyfriend got her really hooked on the drugs and I miss a lot of people put the call of help in their music, like her. They tried to make me go to rehab but she said no, no, no. You know, it's stuff like that and, by the way, you can watch Amy Winehouse's movie on Prime, which is really good. It's a biopic. People like this, it's what would they? They could not live like. If Elvis was still living today, he could not live up to the legacy that he is known for now. So Hendrix, he couldn't live up to. He's a myth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's definitely one, though that I cannot. It's like you know, you can't hear. It's similar to like Eddie Van Halen. It's like I have not heard anybody top him yet. You know, and I would always feel like the guitar players of his era and I'd said this to a friend of mine before that I feel like the. They were all such like blues oriented players like Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck and those guys. So to me it felt like they were all getting good, if this makes sense, like they were all getting good at algebra, where Jimmy came along and he was doing geometry. Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He was on such a whole different level of thing.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, they're top-notch in this style, in this vein, or whatever, but what he was doing was on some other, you know other level that I don't, I don't see has been if you hear the interviews with jimmy hendrix sister, she says that he couldn't really play a lick but being sober, but once, and she said that they would, they would like, they would look at the arms and all that to see track marks. But he did it behind the eye with oh wow, I can't see anybody sticking a needle behind their eye. Man, the chase a high, it's like. How could people like come up with some crazy theories?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, like when he was also acid in the headband, right, you know, and I mean yeah, you know so many, yeah so that's why you can't you can't really make fun of uh musicians on drugs and stuff, because some of the best music in history when musicians are on drugs right. Look at all at Alice in Chains' Dirt album Damn, they were all on drugs and it's one of the greatest albums ever.
Speaker 3:Oh well, yeah, one of the greatest albums ever. Like Tony and Messi, that's all.
Speaker 2:I have, though you know there's a lot of conspiracies and everything but me. I lean towards the human side. They were real people, not myths. The losses hit hard because their art meant so much to us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if there wasn't a human side to them, we wouldn't connect with them in any way. No one would connect with them in any way, you know.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, they shape music around the world, or their art, or they made you laugh and they're still affecting us to this day. Whether it's 70 years later, 20 years later, 15 years later, we still hear that and we might even listen to a song and be like first time I heard that I was dancing with so-and-so, so like. Their music means a lot For the listeners out there. What do you think? Is the 27 Club? A cursed legacy or just a sad roll of the dice? Hit us up in the comments and keep this conversation rocking. I'm looking forward to this and we are going to have another great show. If you want to call it great, I felt this is great. We're going to have another great show coming up and a beautiful show, a great show. I don't know why I'm starting to do that.
Speaker 3:You better help. When I walked in here, this is a great show. Don't know why I'm starting to do that. People help when I walked in here.
Speaker 2:This is a great show, so you're doing people are going to dislike me, man, for even sounding like that, but we're uh, we're working hard behind the scenes to bring the best entertainment that we can to your ears and for those if they don't like it, then they can suggest what we can talk about.
Speaker 2:Right, you can go to powerspointpodcast at yahoocom. In the subject line just put show idea. You know a lot of people are afraid to talk about different subjects. We're not, as long as it's not politics or religion, because we don't do that here. And if we can kind of work our way around that subject in a way, then maybe we don't talk about these two subjects because no one can agree on it no one. And it causes a lot of wars from centuries and thousands of years ago. This always started wars and we're not trying to start a war here. We're all about bringing quality entertainment, something different, to you guys. You know we're not scripted, we just want to be different. So for those tuning in again, we appreciate you making it this far and we hope you tune in next time. You can find me on Instagram at powers31911.
Speaker 3:You can find me on TikTok now. Right, it's keithmackie08,. I believe it is.
Speaker 2:And that's M-A-K-I.
Speaker 3:Yeah, K-E-I-T-H dot M-A-K-I-0-8.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it. And you're going to start seeing little commercials there that Keith's making, and the newest one sounds very pornographic and it sounds cool. It's going to eargasm. The newest one sounds very pornographic and it sounds cool it's going to eargasm. Jim, before we leave, man, yes, you know, even though you weren't with us in the show last week, we still did a good quote.
Speaker 3:And I beg you to come back at the end. So listen for it.
Speaker 2:Keith got done with me real fast, man. What do you got this week for us? This week's quote is.
Speaker 1:life is too short, live it to the fullest.
Speaker 2:Couldn't be more, true, man. That's all I got, guys, so stick around until next time. We will talk to you then. Have a good one, bye, bye hours point.
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Speaker 3:The podcast is finished, but no worries, we'll be back soon.
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